On Black.

Alexis Grant 0:00
Hi, I'm Lexi.

Hamsata Mazou 0:01
And I'm Hamsata.

Jeanine Ikekhua 0:02
And I'm Jeanine,

Hamsata Mazou 0:03
and you're listening to WKNC 88.1 FM HD-1 Radio. Thank you for listening!

Hello,

Alexis Grant 0:18
everyone. Hello. Today we're talking about traveling. And that's all I'm gonna say. We'll just hop straight into it. As you know, we have our lovely co host here, Jenny. Jane, tell the tell the audience where you're at.

Jeanine Ikekhua 0:33
I am currently in Manchester United Kingdom in the abroad UK. In the United Kingdom, baby

Alexis Grant 0:43
our UK baby are fine UK all right.

Hamsata Mazou 0:47
Don't play with it.

Alexis Grant 0:48
Favorite UK baby. Big smile. White Teeth. No pimple.

Unknown Speaker 0:53
I'm so happy for her.

Jeanine Ikekhua 0:55
What am I call her forehead?

Alexis Grant 0:57
It's okay. You're It's okay. It's blending away. It's that I know some of you listeners. Y'all probably travel a lot some a little bit. To me I'm I've been out of the country, some of y'all might have never left your state. But we're gonna give our perspective on why we feel travels so important. Maybe some travel tips talking about our experiences with travel such things such and such things. Is it anything somebody wants to start off with?

Hamsata Mazou 1:26
Yes, I would like to start off by saying how you guys Phillip? Well, I wanted to stay out, right? I feel like travel to an extent is very much a luxury. And with that being said, when we say travel, it doesn't literally mean you gotta go out the continent, you know what I mean? You can literally start by going to a different city within the same state. You can do like I don't know going to like places in within your scene that you never gone to that is still a travel. I feel like travel has been you know, showcased in a way like you got to be out here with plane tickets, man money going to exotic places, but you can still travel within like your area is still have fruitful experiences and meaningful experiences. That was

Alexis Grant 2:11
beautiful. Piggybacking off of that, yes, I agree travel is a luxury. I also think it's a necessity of life, though. And I think there are certain things that are luxuries that can also be categorized as a necessity. Like, like, when I told I certain a certain level of self care is a luxury, like being able to like you know, what sort of yet like hat being able to take all the vitamins you feel is good for your body, like having a good vitamin mix, you know, doing things like getting massages, having the luxury to have the time to give yourself a bath or take days off and like things like that are luxuries but to an extent they're also a necessity, like you need to prioritize self care. Yes.

Jeanine Ikekhua 3:01
You yes to some of the stuff you're saying. But no, keep on going. I like what you're saying. Go ahead, keep on going. Okay, okay.

Alexis Grant 3:09
And I say all of this, because I don't feel like you can be a fully fledged. Let me not put it that way. That sounds crazy. I don't feel like you can truly, fully know yourself. Not that anybody can fully 100% know themselves. But I feel like to even get to a part of really knowing yourself, I feel like you can't achieve without putting yourselves in an environment that is completely different, or at least different from what you grew up with, or what you're used to. Just because different environment evokes so many different things out of you. And speaking from my experience, I think sometimes it's as simple as changing school environments like obviously what school you go to, like what elementary school you go to in your county, like things like that can drastically change how you act, who your friends are, how your life goes, stuff like that. And me being able to change schools frequently growing up me changing states, homes, like things like that I have developed at my most rapid pace when I first moved to a new area because you're forced to change yourself to a certain extent so that who you are can work in your new environment. And because of that is why I feel like travel is necessary because those different environments are going to provoke different things out of you and put new perspectives onto you. What are you going to say? Um, something

Hamsata Mazou 4:42
I just want to say I definitely agree with your last sentiment. Exactly. That was like a long, long, long, long speech you gave right there, but specifically on like, moving and stuff. I also have a background of like moving a lot and moving to different towns and cities. And if ever since I was like an even in high school I was like all these in environments have shaped me to the person I am. And I've been me being able to see like different groups of people different types of lifestyles and societies that I got into like, going from like a public versus private school, or living within the country outside the country and stuff like that definitely helped shaped the person I am today and the experiences I've made, and also the way I view the world. Like, it's allowed me to have a better understanding of myself, but also have other than other people and circumstances that you know, you won't be as like conscious of unless you've been able to see them or experienced them, if that makes sense. So yeah, being able to travel like, even with just changing schools and stuff, at least for me, every school I changed to, without going to a different, like town or city for the most part. So that literally meant like new everything, not only like friends, but like environment as well.

Alexis Grant 5:51
I'll reassess engineering. Are you just listening?

Jeanine Ikekhua 5:54
Now I'm just listening for now.

Hamsata Mazou 5:56
I also want to say

Alexis Grant 5:57
the one other thing that I would say with that, too, as a contrast is, and I know people who have moved before can relate to this, where there will be people in an area and they have never been outside that area. For me, specifically, I'm talking about when I moved to Knoxville, Tennessee, and there's people who, whose families have been three, four deep in Knoxville, nobody's ever lived outside of Knoxville, it is so evident to see how small their mind is when it comes to the world and how things work outside of their bubble. And it's hard to sometimes communicate with those people, because they think they understand everything that's going on in the world. But they've never even been two hours away from their home. And it's so hard having conversations with those people thinking that they're always right. And it's not even that you feel you're right. It's the fact that because you've been like, it is a luxury, like you've had the luxury of being able to be in different places. It humbled you. So even though you're gaining all this knowledge from being in different environments, and getting these different perspectives, because of that, you're also humbled on how different things are in every circumstance and how different perspectives can be. And being able to be like, Yes, I don't know everything that's going on. But I know more than this person, but you're talking to a person who's not had as much experience, but they think they know everything that's going on. It's so easy to see in that instance, how important it is to immerse yourself in different environments and to travel.

Hamsata Mazou 7:35
Interesting, I would say I never had that, like, realization for me. I think. I mean, yes, I think I have like, I just think of it as these people haven't experienced what I've experienced. So therefore, our viewpoints are gonna differ, do you want I mean, I never thought of it as like, this is why it's so crucial to travel and experience things, which is a good point. I just never thought about it that way. Because I timed I thought of me moving as like a handicap because I never got to like experience like full fledge like long term friendships, for example, because everybody has that. And I think those were like the little things within like your childhood that you valued more than like the constant change of circumstances. And yeah, I just never thought about it that way. But I wanted to also add, like you said, like, when you got into a new environment, you like immediately, like, adapted and changed, right? Just want to make sure that's what you said, right? Or is that not what you

Alexis Grant 8:43
meant? Me? Yes, but I feel like it's more of Yes, I wanted to, but also I'm forced to because I can't carry everything I was doing in the last place into my new case kind of thing.

Hamsata Mazou 8:55
I see what you're saying, at least for me, I think I slowly started to change which each environment and I say that in the sense of for me, I'm always like a viewer I'm an observer when I go into something new. And so because my environment constantly changing for like a good amount of yours in the beginning, I do really like restart I'd go from like, I don't know anything I don't want to interact I'm literally just trying to absorb get no, no my environment, and then slowly start putting myself into the environment. And that was like a habit I made for like so many years, I think up until I would say like high school into college, where I was just kind of like just go in just be yourself like whoever is going to come up with going to come of it. And I will see that transition from like starting to observe to like, putting myself into action started to like shrink and I was going into that little bit more faster. The more I moved by definitely say it was a slow transition for me. Just because new environments were like, honestly scary. I just didn't know what to expect. I know what type people I was surrounded by, you know, these were places that I never foresaw myself being in. And also I just didn't know what type of people I'd be interacting with. So So it definitely taught me a lot specially when I was in the observation phase. Like I was literally learning my environments literally just observing. Oh, that's why I

Alexis Grant 10:13
didn't want to see it anymore. Because she's been like listening. I'm like, I'm curious to know what's turning in her head.

Jeanine Ikekhua 10:20
Don't say that. The reason why I've been so quiet, it's just because like, I'm in a different headspace when it comes to traveling than you guys are, I think, because I'm actually like, I've been doing traveling so heavily for the past, like couple of months, that like this conversation in my head was going to completely different plays. But I definitely understand like what you guys are saying, I will say that being more well versed with the world has definitely made me a better person. I feel like because I've traveled so much and been around so many different cultures and so many different people. I think that I'm better understanding of people and where they come from, versus like somebody being one sided and not really knowing like, what's going on outside of their world. So I definitely do agree with that. But I guess for me when it comes to traveling, like I do think is a necessity of the world because a necessity for someone just because I just think it makes you a better person. And like who doesn't want to be a better person. I just feel like meeting all these people experienced all these new cultures like it is just an amazing thing to experience. And to have. I will say it's a luxury. It definitely is a luxury because traveling is expensive. Unless you live in Europe, which is what I want to talk about. If you're traveling within Europe, let me tell you something is so freakin cheap. Like all my friends that I have now at my school abroad. They're always like, oh, yeah, I went to Paris. I went to Mauritius. I went to freakin wherever in Europe that I went to Denmark. I went to Paul, I be like how you're going all these places. It is so stinking cheap to travel in Europe, like a ticket right out to Paris is $35 That isn't saying, like, I'm going to Paris for $35. I'm literally going to Spain in two days. And my ticket was 71. Like that is insane. It is so cheap to travel Europe, if you're studying abroad or you're in Europe and you want to travel, get on the train, like just go you can take the Eurostar you can take the plane like $35 Right now I'm pretty sure it's 26 to go to Denmark. So come on out. If you really want to travel, go ahead and experience I'm so beautiful. No, it is so good. Like, I've my goal, I'm gonna go to Paris, I've been to Italy, I've been to Canada. I'm going to spend in two days, I want to go to Paris before I leave. And then I'm also gonna go to Scotland before I go. Like, it's just so cheap. Like you just you have to travel you have to experience these cultures like they're right there.

Hamsata Mazou 12:51
A question I have is what kind of sparked the, like, want to travel? With the new guys? Like what made you be like, Yeah, I definitely like I want to travel when you travel, like what sparked back within your?

Alexis Grant 13:07
I think this is a great question. Because it makes us into another big point. And I think this point applies to us more of why we see travel as an important thing. We are a group of immigrants and children of immigrants. And I think that also plays into the worldwide think it's a necessity, because to a certain level for me it is I can't meet, I can't see my family without traveling out of the country. Like, that's the only way I'm gonna see you know what I mean. And I understand that that's not how it is for everybody, especially a lot of people like in America, like a lot of them. Their families here I feel like once you get outside America, people see travel more as a regular thing. And see it more as less of a luxury, more of like a common thing to do within their life. And even though it's expensive, it's kind of built into your life, just like how you build into your budget, like food and stuff that's kind of built into your budget that I'm going to be traveling at some point. Because like my dad, his family is not like a rich or anything. But all of him and his siblings are got to travel. They never got to travel all together at once. Because that's a lot because he's one of five, but all of them got to travel at some point. And like same with my mom, like my mom grew up traveling. My mom's been to a lot of different countries, like that's normal for them. And then they kind of implemented that into me that travel to an extent is normal. experiencing different things is normal. So I feel like the inspiration. I don't know I've always been somebody who has traveled not like I've been to 1,000,000,001 places. I haven't been to as many places as you need. But I've been to enough places to where did it go today? As I'm using Loki, right, like I'm used to traveling, but also because I'm somebody who is so big and I see as one of the fundamental purposes of having this physical experience on Earth is to experience people into experience thing. I feel like how are you going to do that without travel? So that's where my, one of my principles of travel is. And I just love people that a lot of people, even though they are friends of stuff, a lot of people out here, they're like, I don't like people. And I can understand that people be trifling. I understand that. Me, I love individuals, I don't like society as a whole, I think it's trash to think it's nasty. When it comes to the world to be quite realistic, I'm kind of a pessimist, I don't think we're gonna get much better. That being said, I'm still going to try my hardest to make whoever experiences me have a better life. Because I want to experience other people too. And I love hearing people's personal stories. I love seeing how different somebody's experience can be. But we can still come to the same emotions and stuff like that. And I think that's beautiful. And then also to an older point that one of y'all made with the Oh, both y'all might have made it how like, it gives more perspective and you feel more worldly and like more aware of what's going on? Yeah, I feel like from my personal experience, I even when I was in Tennessee around a lot of people, like they've just been there their whole lives, I attracted a lot of immigrants and children of immigrants into my friend group, and like my main friends of mine, people I hung out with, and like multicultural people in general. And I think it's because even though me and that other person haven't travelled to the same countries, just the fact that we are both traveling, being able to experience different cultures gives us a similar mindset, like I feel like travel. It doesn't have to be the same place you still get, there's still certain mindsets that you gain from just traveling in general, that connects us as people. Whether we experienced this in cultures or not,

Jeanine Ikekhua 17:11
I can tell you very passionate.

Hamsata Mazou 17:14
I think something just brought up into my mind from your last point is that I'm not I think I know is that I also feel like it's just the commonality of somebody experiencing something that you experienced, like not with even the spectrum of travel, but just like similarity when you want to attract people who have similarities within you. So just knowing that somebody like you guys, both having immigrant background and being able to experience your home countries and stuff that alone is like, you know, something that brought you guys together. And just because we're talking about the context of travel, that makes sense by just being like, even just the similarities you guys have in general, you know, brought you guys together. I want to point that out. But to a question is a

Alexis Grant 17:56
great point. Oh, thank you. And then to

Hamsata Mazou 18:00
a question that I came up with, with your perspective is, why do we think the US doesn't prioritize like traveling? Why is it that like, a lot of outside countries, like travel is just like a thing that's normalized? versus the US. It's kind of just seemed like, it's not a like an everyday thing? You know what I mean? I'm sorry,

Alexis Grant 18:24
is it God forgot to answer the first question?

Jeanine Ikekhua 18:26
Oh, my God. What's the

Hamsata Mazou 18:35
first question, Michael? Wait,

Jeanine Ikekhua 18:37
we were there my chemo? Oh, I heard microwave. I

Hamsata Mazou 18:40
said, What are your microwave? I said, go ahead and answer the first question. Mine can wait.

Jeanine Ikekhua 18:47
Oh, sorry. I heard Mark. Sorry. Okay, I can do really quick. It's honestly the same as like, see, like, traveling has always been embedded in me. Like, we went to Paris when I was young, we went to the UK, we went to America, like we haven't been since I was young. So it really is just kind of a part of like who I am. And like what I do, I just could not see myself without traveling experience and other people's cultures. And also, I'm an International Studies major, like, I'm fascinated with people, like the whole intersection between my degree like as between my degree as an iOS major and a Comm major is that I'm fascinated by stories, and I love international and global stories. And I want to be able to tell those stories. So in order to do that, I need to be around the world I need to be missing the world wide. So I love traveling like I want to like I'm I have an idea of like literally a documentary but like a short film that I want to work on and slowly based around traveling, like I just I love hearing stories and I could not I could not be the person that I am today without my love of talking to people around the world and literally listening to what they have and just turning that into stories that are digestible for everyday people. Yeah, my thing um, sometimes question was I was going to Define travelling because I feel like when we say traveling, like, when like when you say traveling in Europe, most people are going to think out of the country. But I feel like when you say traveling in America, I feel like most people are gonna think like, within the country. Yeah, just like define what you mean by traveling, like out of country out of state?

Hamsata Mazou 20:18
I'm on honestly, I would mean it in the context of how it's viewed within the US like our context, I would say, right, and like a broader, broader spectrum, as in just travel. Does that make sense? Like, that's,

Jeanine Ikekhua 20:36
I don't know. So other state, other country?

Hamsata Mazou 20:38
Yeah. I just feel like when you bring up travel in a conversation, somebody like the way it would be perceived first on, like, you don't I mean, and I think that perspective is usually just like, going out of country, usually. But even out of state is not even prioritized, dude. I mean, it's just like, oh, I have family here. That's why I went there. It's not like, Oh, I'm going here just to visit it experience. I just mean, like travel in its essence of just like, going out to experience things, you know, just for experience thing.

Alexis Grant 21:07
I feel like for a lot of people, the vacations they take with their family, I don't count that as travel. Like how do I put this? It's kind of okay, this is the best example I can think of this is not the best example period. But when people are like, Oh, my gosh, I went to Jamaica for dinner. It's like you stayed in the resorts, you might have had some of the food, you're gonna hear some of the music. Cool, cool, cool. The way that Jamaica is for tourists is not how Jamaica is. I feel like, and I'm not saying you have to experience the full on a thin, like authenticity have a place to consider it travel. But just going to, like a lot of people here, they might go to the beach and resort for vacation. And not that you can't have a great experience on vacation. But if you're not doing anything on that vacation that you couldn't do at any other beach result, I don't, or resort, I don't have to travel. That makes sense. Like if you're gonna go to what's the beaten if you're gonna go to Myrtle Beach, and you got to go to the resort and just go to the beach, and go to like one restaurant. You could do that in Florida, and have the exact same experience and like, not seeing the difference, if that makes sense.

Hamsata Mazou 22:31
No, it makes complete sense. Like the moment you started, I was like, I already know where you're going with this. Yeah, maybe because we've had this conversation before. But

Alexis Grant 22:39
yeah, I feel like incidences like that not travel, you go to something like the Grand Canyon, you can only go to the Grand Canyon, the Grand Canyon to the Grand Canyon. You can't get that anywhere else. So then it's like, okay, you traveled somewhere.

Hamsata Mazou 22:53
Yeah, and I think it just goes back to like traveling for like the experience rather than like travel just to like an escape. You know what I mean? Like resorts and stuff are just like an escape thing. You kind of live within a fantasy and within something that you kind of build up in your mind. Versus if you're traveling for experience, you're probably going to be in like the hometowns experiencing locals cultures, like random, unique, eccentric events of that place. Like you're actually ingesting

Alexis Grant 23:21
something when you're traveling not versus just like having things happen.

Hamsata Mazou 23:27
Because that also helps you build knowledge and experience of like that places culture, diverse groups of people and stuff like that, like actually adds to your you know, your database rather than like, I've been here. Oh, what did you do there? Oh, just relax. You know, chill. Like, that's not really adding to you or your experiences. You know, it helps you relax and enjoy yourself, but it's not really you know, draining to your question. It was Janine question, right?

Jeanine Ikekhua 23:58
No, it was. Yeah, he was asking

Hamsata Mazou 24:01
us like, What did you ask me? Like what I mean by travel? The question I asked. So we were

Jeanine Ikekhua 24:07
waiting will be met by now I follow it back to him. So I did. I was just okay, cool. This is cool.

Hamsata Mazou 24:14
Like Lexie was just helping me build up that point, you know, because she understood I met but like, you look, you still look confused. And then we just like, don't

Jeanine Ikekhua 24:22
confuse I'm just looking at y'all like, I'm actually I'm not gonna I was think about something else. I'm not gonna cap out steam or something.

Hamsata Mazou 24:28
Are you good? You know, we all did that app

Alexis Grant 24:30
as long as you like, because as long as your question got answered, you know, I mean,

Hamsata Mazou 24:34
yeah. Okay. Are you ready to answer the question? Oh, why do we think the US doesn't prioritize traveling? Also, sidenote, I never answered the first question I asked. I don't know if supposed to do that or

Jeanine Ikekhua 24:48
not be me, UK I can honestly do right now because I don't have an answer to your question or that

Alexis Grant 24:53
answer to your question, but I'm gonna remember it because I have a lot. Okay.

Hamsata Mazou 25:00
It was the question I asked before this

Jeanine Ikekhua 25:02
oh my god, you're done? Aren't you remember traveling,

Alexis Grant 25:06
what inspires you to want to travel? Oh, what

Hamsata Mazou 25:08
is smart? Truthfully, it's like a mix of things like one I always thought when I was younger, I would always travel to one Mecca because my mom always talked about Islam, and how that's like, every Muslims dream that you have to go there and stuff. So that was like, one place I was like, I have to travel to you know, that was like a religious thing to, I always want to travel just to like visit family, because in the US, like you said, I have to, like, leave the country to be able to like, see and experience my family. So that was super important. Although I did have like family here. It was like their out of state one. And even the family we had within a community, we weren't like direct relatives, we are more so like, from the same country, we seemed like a similar culture or something like that. But it wasn't like, this is my cousin. You know what I mean? Like, I do have cousins. But like, again, they're out of state. And that's like, the only kind of as I've been, like, my, you know, the rest above, I just really wanted to experience that. Especially cuz people be like, oh, yeah, my grandma didn't meet this. Like, I'm like, I can't experience my grandma, because she's outside the country. Like, people have beautiful stories about them and their family. And I just really want to experience that for me and myself, you know, but then also, I feel like talking to like, Lexi about travel, she helps me broaden, like my understanding of like travel just to travel to experience. So like, that was like the third mix of just like, that also made me feel like wow, like travels much more than just like, connecting and going. And I did realize that but I didn't really I guess, understand its essence and its importance until like, we had those conversations. I was like, yeah, like travel is just so important. Like I realized it, we you know, and so you like have a conversation about something or you have a ton of really like, think about it, like whoa, like I definitely had an interest in traveling just experience things. But I was never like a Yeah, me too. What's really important was just like more of a one. And I just wanted to experience these things just because it was something of my interest. And I enjoyed doing it, if that makes sense.

Alexis Grant 27:11
Yeah, that's my response. You have an answer for her other question yet or you want me to go in or you can go? Okay. And a few reasons. I think they all mesh together.

Hamsata Mazou 27:25
Okay, are we ready? Are we ready?

Jeanine Ikekhua 27:27
I wish we had a hot take segment, this would be a hot takes. Yes. Because I have a feeling. It's because

Alexis Grant 27:34
the US is self centered. And it begins with the glove. It begins with the world map. The United States is not that big. If you get to accurately like a geographic accurate map. The way they make North America huge compared to how big it actually is, in comparison other countries like they make Africa looks so small on a world map compared to the actual size of it. Same with like parts of Asia and stuff like that, like an actual mat in comparison to and that that plays into a lot of things that plays into a lot of education system things. It plays into a lot of the overhype on the American pride, that's we're gonna push that to the side. That's just a little thing that began me, man. And also because America is seen as this world melting pot, I think people feel like they can authentically experience cultures while staying in America. Because it's like is that A is that a yes or

Jeanine Ikekhua 28:33
no? I was gonna be like Chinatown. Your local neighborhood is not actually China. But let's let's keep it

Alexis Grant 28:39
Yeah, no, literally

Hamsata Mazou 28:41
real. Also, I started trying to talk like every city.

Jeanine Ikekhua 28:44
No, it's because major city got a little Chinatown for sure. Is because all the immigrants we like to be in one place. And we like to make our own thing. But still, just because went to Chinatown. And you tried some whatever you tried. Does not mean he wasn't China. You experienced Chinese culture. But moving on

Hamsata Mazou 29:02
where people actually think that?

Jeanine Ikekhua 29:04
Yes,

Hamsata Mazou 29:06
oh, yay.

Alexis Grant 29:08
But it's like, yes, you can think like that is really good for people who don't have the luxury to get out of the country because you're going to experience a culture to a certain extent, like, okay, cool. You can hear the language, you can see some of the food you can dip it into. It's not going to be the same as actually traveling to that country or area or region. blase, blase, blase. Also, because, like Janine said, traveling to Europe is cheap. Part of that is because the countries are right next to each other, they're literally drivable distance from each other. You can take a long drive and experience a completely different culture. You don't have that with the United States. You can do that. If you're no if you're more like closer to Mexico or closer to Canada. Those are the only places you're going to be able to drive and experience like a completely different, you know, thing. Versus when you're in some place like Europe or even Asia, like Central Asia, it's a lot easier to travel between continent or not continents between countries and things like that. And then also just being raised with the a lot of people come to America to settle down and be done. So I think maybe like, Let's go a few generations back where like, there was more immigrants still coming in, especially like white immigrants still coming in. When they're coming in, they're coming to America to be like, This is where the rest of my family lineage is going to die. And then that gets passed down to the sense of like, they're like, We came to America to stay, we came to America to stay. So that thought process of even traveling doesn't cross their minds. And that's not just with like, the white Americans. That's what other Americans do. Like, I had a friend, he goes to one of the colleges out here. And before like, he told me,

Hamsata Mazou 31:02
Oh, hmm, we're out here in North Carolina.

Alexis Grant 31:05
Yeah, like he goes, like one of the colleges like, like, near.

Hamsata Mazou 31:09
Okay, I just didn't know what right here, man. We still met like the US right here. I'm like that.

Alexis Grant 31:17
But like, we were having a conversation. And he was like, before I talked to you, I never even thought that me traveling outside the country was a possibility. And it wasn't because he thought he was restricted and couldn't make it. It's just the idea literally never even crossed his mind. Like there's so many people in America where the idea of traveling out of the country has never even crossed their minds for them to think about it or not, which is a crazy thing to think about. Like me, I didn't realize people didn't have passports, until like my high school. Like to go to high school, I thought everybody had a password. Just because I'm all my life, I've had to ask for all my life, my whole family's had a passport. But that also comes with, you know, having international family and stuff like that. But those are some of the points, I feel like it's not push of travel, travel, travel. And then also, because we live in a hustle culture, people feel like they don't have the time to travel. And the way that travel is presented, like you said, like this very luxurious, high end that it ended up. There is ways to travel for cheap, there's a lot of people who will take their family trips, like within the US to go somewhere. And they could realistically use that same amount of money and travel out the country, they just don't really think about the logistics of it.

Jeanine Ikekhua 32:38
I said, I mean, it's hard to travel for cheap, I'm not gonna lie, like, you're gonna have to do some extra work to travel just cheap.

Alexis Grant 32:44
Yes, but people also amp it up. Because there's a lot of countries you can go to where things are a lot cheaper, once you get there. It's like, yes, the plane tickets are expensive. But then you're gonna make that money back by only having to pay $5 for a meal versus $45.

Jeanine Ikekhua 32:59
But the same is that no, I get what you're saying. But I feel like also like with the places that you're going to either they're not as common, which is why it's so like cheap for, for tourists to come. Or they're not as nice of places and people don't want to go there. I feel like when people think of travel, like they like comes out, it wasn't like they want that luxury. It's like they want to feel like they're in the best place ever. Who wants to go traveling, and then wants to be in the local indigenous? Do some say like, who want to be in a hostel? Like, let's be so like, they would not want to be in a hostel. Like, I think most people don't want to be in a hospital. But I mean,

Alexis Grant 33:39
that's true. But there's still some countries like Greece, you can find it. Like if you go on Airbnb, and you look how cheap it is to stay in Greece. It's cheaper to stay in Greece than it is to get an air b&b in the US. And the Fluttershy groups. Yeah, but it's like, that's what I'm saying. Depending on how long you're staying, you make that money back by the fact that the place is cheaper, and the food's cheaper, and the experiences are cheaper. Sure. And obviously, that's not what every circumstance but like, personally, me, I would rather take one big trip out the country then take two or three trips within the US for the most part. But those are some of my heartaches. There's a bunch of other reasons. I feel like it's not push. But yeah, also people aren't connected. A lot of people who are who identify fully as American and American lineage. Like if somebody identifies as American lineage, they don't really know where their family is from. And they don't have any connections at all outside of the US or sometimes even outside of the area they're in. So there's no extra push to experience anything else. Because they don't see it as a part of them.

Jeanine Ikekhua 34:50
Yeah, and also, like, let's be honest, like traveling is scary. Like it really is scary to be in a different country by yourself like you have no idea We're gonna happen, you have like, and plus people take advantage of stories of tourists in different countries like, it's just the overall experience. They will hike up the price

Hamsata Mazou 35:10
all you ever see those tiktoks of like, where immigrant visa goes into like their cultural stores. And it'd be like your mom's like, don't speak any English because the person will give you a cheaper price if they think like, yeah, you're just regular, like, you know, immigrants that come in to shop in the US. But as soon as they know you, like you American, they're gonna hike up that price up. And I was like, these are funny, but they're very true. Again, like people will

Alexis Grant 35:34
take advantage of you. So the US stereotypes countries very poorly, and they make some countries more dangerous than they are. And like, yes, those dangers that they say might be real, but it's like, like how it is in the US. It's just certain areas. And what Americans also don't realize a lot of times is how nasty America seems to the outside country like yes, a lot of people want to come here. It's because they want to take advantage of the opportunities that a lot of countries don't have. But they don't think America is this nice, beautiful place to live. Like they think it's scary. They think instead of like, my mom's friends in Canada even think it's crazy sometimes that my mom's still in the US just because if you just hear about all this stuff on the news, you don't know anything. You've never been in America. America. sounds nasty. It sounds horrid. It sounds like everyone's being shot constantly. Like, oh,

Hamsata Mazou 36:22
my god, do you mean that news? We don't know each other?

Jeanine Ikekhua 36:25
Is what I'm saying. Within? I think it was within either. No, it was the past week, I think three different people were shot because they came like to the wrong to the wrong house. Just hearing that. Yeah, there was another one that I saw. And I'm just like, imagine being abroad and hearing that, and then the school shootings, and then the incarceration rate. It's just like, dang, what's going on America.

Alexis Grant 36:50
And people don't just have that perspective of like, Yeah, you see how bad your country is doing stuff. But like, cool, you might still enjoy America and stuff like that. You can do that with other countries, like there's a lot of stigmas on other countries that I've been able to break, just because I'll actually sit down to have a conversation with people who have been there who like live in those regions, or live in that country. And then my fears are settled. Like, I'd be like, Okay, I'm ready to go.

Jeanine Ikekhua 37:14
But see, that's because we're like very open minded people. I feel like because it's been in our culture, or just in our way of life to travel, I feel like we're we have more of an open perspective to it. And we're more excited, let's be so honest, you're not even to to our own horn, but we are way more accepting of people. And it literally, I feel like it has to do with the fact that we've been all over the world. So if we talk to someone who was in a different country, and they're saying this, and they're saying that, like, we're gonna my Okay, okay, we know, like, we're the ones that go on YouTube and watching travel vlogs, let's be so full right now, I feel like most people, they do not do that. I feel like they, they probably don't care to do tasks. And I know this, because I've spoken to enough people at this point, not to like generalize and say that's how everyone is. But I feel like a lot of people are closed minded about what is outside of America. And I just like they don't want to explore that. Like, if you hear my prime example is people traveling to the continent of Africa. Don't get mad at me. Now. This is a hot take. I understand that you want to experience your culture, at least mostly for African from an African Americans, I understand that you want to connect back to your roots, I understand that you want to do all these different things. But I hate when I go online. And I see multiple videos from African Americans talking about when I went to Africa was not what I expected. It's not that clean. It's not this. It's not that people have a fetishization with traveling to Africa. And it needs to be like don't get rid of it. Your expectations of what you have in your country. And think that when you come to another country, you're gonna have a similar experience when it comes to sanitization, or what you see online and thinking that's gonna be your experience. Honey, you are fooling yourself. Don't ever look at what you see online and be like, that's exactly how my there's gonna be. No, no, go do your research. Go look into things, especially as a black traveler. Don't ever go to a foreign country and just look up. Oh, traveling to this country you need to add traveling as a black woman traveling as a black man, because your experience as a black person will be completely different than other people. Especially as a black woman to like being more like, because there are some countries there's some European and like, European little what's the what's the country?

Alexis Grant 39:40
Like Turkey I've heard turkeys amazing for black women to travel.

Jeanine Ikekhua 39:44
I solo travelers. Hmm. solo travelers like solo Blackwater. Yeah,

Alexis Grant 39:49
like even like solo solo or just like pairs like black woman being like, I was getting constant free stuff. People were constantly giving me things I didn't have to pay for this. I don't have to pay for that because Part of his because like fetishization of black woman, but like when it comes to travel, that is, that's good for you. That's good for you in the sense of like, things go smoother for you. Like, because people see you as this like, beautiful object which like, okay, objectification, you're getting free stuff. You're getting treated Nice. You're getting you know what I mean? Same with like, I've heard mixed things about this, but genuinely I've heard like, like Spanish men and Italian men like black women?

Jeanine Ikekhua 40:26
Oh, yes. I would say, yeah, they loaded with some black woman.

Alexis Grant 40:31
Yeah. Like that. But obviously, that's specific to black woman, not necessarily, I don't know how it is for black men, because I only hear these things for black women, you know, I mean, so like, it is specifically put in your intersectionalities of what you identify as and what you present as when you're trying to look for things to travel, and also doing that research and being accepting of the research. Because I can't remember what country is, I don't know, I can't remember if it's, I can't remember. But there's some country where like, you're not supposed to eat the ice, because it's very likely for somebody who has like an American digestive tract for you to get sick. And you're supposed to take all your drinks with no ice, it's some tropical place. It's not in the Caribbean, though. A might be volley. But I don't want to say that, because it might not be barley. But it's something like that, where you're not supposed to have the ice. Just because our stomachs are not used to like whatever the chemicals or the parasites or the way it's filtered something, something, something like that. So it's good to do like stuff like, especially when you go into, like tropical places to do research on certain like foods and stuff like that, because I know a lot of foods from other countries can make specifically people from America, first world country sick, just because your bodies aren't you.

Jeanine Ikekhua 41:48
And also like, when you travel, I feel like people like don't take into account that. Like, for example, like you might get food poisoning. It's a different country, like it's a whole different culture, a different type of cooking food, whatever things are gonna happen. I feel like people take that and then generalize it of Oh, my gosh, I went to this country and I got food poisoning their food is not good, this and this and that. And I just feel like whenever you go abroad, you need to take into consideration that your individual experience does not represent what the entire country is, like you had one experience, there are so many other experiences. And there's so many of the things that in that country that you could have experienced that you possibly might not have experienced.

Alexis Grant 42:28
I like the hair check at the end per picture here. And then you said experience and then touch your hair pattern.

Hamsata Mazou 42:39
Well, for me, I want to back up some points we made earlier, debate flew back. In fact, check this Okay. One, I want to emphasize the point that traveling relaxation isn't bad. I feel like we kind of made it seem like No, you shouldn't travel to resort and just have your little good time. You know what I mean? Like, that's not what we're saying at all. I just wanted to emphasize that point. Like you can tell, please go you don't have your resources.

Jeanine Ikekhua 43:02
I'm literally no, I'm literally going to Spain for three days. Okay, technically, only for one full day. I'm just going to be on the beach in the resort. Like, I'm not going anywhere. Maybe the town may be but I'm going for the beach and the sun just be so far. All right now.

Hamsata Mazou 43:17
No, yeah, I just wanted to emphasize that. So I feel like listening to our episode, you might be like, Whoa, so you could have just traveled to relax, no more, like, I gotta be out here deep into, like, you know, in the city. like, Nah, I could definitely like, you know, travel for relaxation, but like, it's a balance, you know, make sure you prioritize both do a little bit of whatever, um, you could have an imbalance to whatever your preference is, but just going out to experience things to some capacity or to some extent, it's just a really valuable experience. Like you can't really get without actually doing it, you know what I mean? So that's what we're just emphasizing, how important and crucial it is. And then to it was responsive in a long time ago to the question of like, Why do you think the US isn't privatized traveling, I was like, You made such a good response, I think was very detailed. And like, I think I got a whole essay back that low key was like, you know, but with that one, I want to say, I agree, I feel like people, people in the US specifically, like, they don't think about travel, because I feel like they're so focused on like building themselves up within the country, they're going somewhere past that. It's just something that they never think of and that was going to be my response of like, I feel like the way the US is built also, like you said, like we feel like we're the only ones in the world like we're the best and whatever, that you shouldn't go out and explore the field because everything is already here. And like you said, the Mountain Park thing, like some people are literally trying to like you know, escape poverty or just trying to do better for their family and stuff like that. So like the last thing on their mind is really trying to if they even make it you know, past that to even go out the country or like go out to travel even to like the nearby city, because they're like, I need to build up my own city or people or as yours like, I think we're still kind of in the The voting process, you know what I mean? And so because of that people don't really see it as like, I need to go out and experience other things, I need to stay here and just like build my home and try to like, you know, finish it up, which kind of limits what you can experience and like, what they think they can do with traveling wise. Not my response to the question, bring it into like a pointer who emphasized that? Yeah.

Jeanine Ikekhua 45:27
Sorry, I just remember my point what I was dozing off about, because we were talking about in my class, like, I can't give you a prime example to explain him. So I think it was was it Brazil when they had the World Cup? Was a Brazil, Rio de Janeiro? Huh?

Hamsata Mazou 45:48
You talk about the most recent one most Rio

Jeanine Ikekhua 45:50
wasn't the most recent one. I think, Brazil, what Rio de Janeiro is in Brazil?

Hamsata Mazou 45:56
I'm not the one answer that question. The way we all

Jeanine Ikekhua 45:58
talked about being world traveler. No, it is in Brazil, is worldwide. So when people came to Brazil, for the World Cup, like to kind of experience the culture and also do the World Cup, what ended up happening was that like within those tourism countries, because with numbers, because the government knew that people were going to come and they were going to make mad money off of this one activity, they actually secluded and cut off like neighborhoods within Brazil that were like that they wanted the World Cup to take place at. And it actually caused poverty rates within those communities too deep to increase. And then it also caused people to be misplaced, because they literally were pushing them out of housing. And it kind of just made me think that like, sometimes, like when you travel to countries, like we had discussion, my class talk about, like how, like you kind of are contributing to, I guess, like, I don't explain it, like, like, I know exactly what you're talking about what I'm saying. Like, I don't know how to explain it.

Alexis Grant 47:07
That's how I feel about Barbados, like, I still I haven't had the opportunity yet to live there. Because that's where my family's been, I've had the opportunity to live there. But I've visited there more times than I can count. And I can see even the difference in the beaches. Just because of tourism of a making the beaches dirty of there being more resorts and stuff along the beaches, less private beaches, things like that. And sometimes when tourism is one of the main not monetary, but like economic driving forces, I guess, for a country. Because it's one of the main things putting money into the country, it sometimes means that they decide it's worth destroying, or breaking down. Other aspects of their country, like certain communities are like having to give up certain things that are fundamental to who they are as people or who they are as a community. Just for the fact of like, These countries need money, so they're like, I'm gonna play what's gonna be best for my hand? Which is tourism.

Jeanine Ikekhua 48:20
Yeah. Like my like a prime example. I think we all know this, like everybody wants to go to Hawaii.

Hamsata Mazou 48:27
Yeah, that one,

Jeanine Ikekhua 48:29
but go ahead. No, yes. That's the one I was thinking about. Like she was talking like with like Hawaii, like a lot of residents have like stopped and like had literally pleaded with people to stop visiting Hawaii, because like, the tourism is just so negative for the local community. And it's literally not sustainable. Because if you think about, like, think about how many people visit these tourist heavy countries, how much money they make, how much trash you leave behind. Like, come on now. The beaches and crystal clear no more, because too many of y'all is going. Not saying that you shouldn't travel. But I just feel like be aware of where you're going and be aware of your environmental impact on that country. Yeah,

Alexis Grant 49:11
beware. There's other places to like, there's like definitely hotspots. And I feel like, especially when it comes for islands. It sucks. Because there's only so much money you can make within your own community just because you're not going to be able to have a certain number of people just because you don't have space, like you're an island, you don't have space. And tourists. Tourism for a lot of islands is a big contributing factor, but also because it's so small the impacts that it makes, even though it's like oh, we're just gonna put up three more resorts. That makes such a big difference. If you're looking at percentages of the island, you know what I mean? That's it's also like with people picking where they go, but I think that's why it's more important for people to take my true traveling into consideration and like how you said not glamorize every thing, because a lot of times, that's what hurts these places is because they have to keep up with this glamorized facade. And then it breaks down the actual locals local environments.

Hamsata Mazou 50:14
And to add to that point, the video I watch a lot YouTube short specifically, which is like a hard platform to save videos on because they don't think they have a save option. But it was so informational because this lady was talking about I think her spouse is a native like Hawaiian, right. And she was talking about like, how like tourism and stuff really ruins it because like the local shops can even open for four hours, because they have to leave that area because they were kind of like being taken out because of like all the tourist attractions, their ability and so the travel distance from like their to like their stores as far so they can't open for as long and stuff and and tourists are starting to get mad because they're like, oh, I want to go here to get like my little items or whatever, the store is closed or it's like lit less hours. And it's not like available when they want it and stuff like that. So let's just say like, yeah, it's also helping their economy, but also like the people that actually help build those attractions outside of like the actual saying a resort, also getting this place and kind of went that aspect of it as well.

Alexis Grant 51:17
Also, as one fear, this is one negative, I would say I have about traveling. Okay, negatives, the fear I have, that it will completely erase certain cultures. Oh, yeah, for sure. And traditions and stuff like that. Because because there's so much travel, it's nice to intermingle things, it's nice to be able to take things into your own communities and stuff like that, but then you lose some of that distinctiveness between cultures. And I think like cultures are such a sacred thing to and they're so beautiful. And even though it's nice to blend things together, you blend too much, and you have much, you know what I mean? Not to say that cultures are going to turn into mush, but you won't have certain distinctive things, you're gonna lose a lot of traditions. And like a certain level of authenticity and like, history, too, that's just gonna be forever loss. And eventually, you'll get to the point where people completely can't experience certain cultures at all, because they're either too heavily blended, or they're just gone, because of the excessive travel or excessive tourists or like excessive moving. But again, on that same end, I personally, if I were to recommend something to people, it would be to live out of your country for at least anywhere minimum nine, nine months to a year and a half, not your napping Max, but like that whole section. That's like the minimum. But if you do that, it's to immerse yourself not to change what's going on around you. But I don't know, I just feel like I've just heard little things here and there over the years of like, I can just see the direction of like cultures just being like, erased because we're also connected. Because travel from a basic standpoint, not money and like being able to pay but from bench basic standpoint is easier than it used to be like you can catch a train, you can catch a boat you can drive versus before there was a lot more going into traveling. So everybody was more distinctive on what was going on in their parts and their communities.

Jeanine Ikekhua 53:36
No, I definitely agree. Like the first thing that came to mind was like Chinese food. I feel like authentic. I feel like if you ask like most people like what is like authentic Chinese food, I feel like people can't really like tell you much. I feel like I feel like there's like, especially within America, there's like Chinese like Chinese food has become so Americanized. Like it's so hard now, not so hard, because you can go find it. It's just not common. That's what it is. I feel like Chinese food is not what we actually think Chinese food is.

Hamsata Mazou 54:10
The authentic version isn't as popular. Yeah,

Jeanine Ikekhua 54:13
it's the Americanized one, like you want to go to Panda Express even though that's not nice. But um, that's no shade sort of people go to Penn Express. wasn't gonna say. And also on that, I think like when, like when you were talking, the reason why like I was making a face was just because like, I see like travel was like, like, it does make cultures more mushy. And like it's hard as preserve cultures, because my language is a dying language because so many of us have literally gone out of the country. And I don't even know like, I'm not fluent in my own language. And I probably would have been if I had stayed in my own country. But what was my plain language to speak? Oh, your Abba. I was gonna have oh, I think maybe because I'm an iOS major. I also see traveling as a way to like preserve cultures. I feel like like, for example, when other people like documentaries are a prime example, when you go to other countries and you kind of like document like what's going on, like I have literally have footage from Italy, of like, what it would look like what it looks like when the sea levels aren't high. And like so like to me like that's kind of like a mini documentary. Like I couldn't look back in two years, I could show other people and kind of show what Italy looked like before, you know, it was completely submerged what Venice looked like before it was completely submerged. So I kind of see as a way of like preserving cultures, especially since I want to do like a travel documentary type community film thing. But I definitely also see like how it definitely causes emotion, globalization, globalization has its pros, and its cons, right? And I was kind of a little too hard, but it has its pros and its cons.

Hamsata Mazou 55:48
I don't want to play devil's advocate on this right? And say, what if we view it as the culture? What is the word I'm looking for? Like obeying? Yes, yes. Yes. So like, if you think about it, any culture, it's, it's evolved throughout the years, you know, and some people relate to like the, I don't know, most recent version as the most authentic version, but really dig back and back and back. It probably really isn't. And I do understand there is an extent where it's like, okay, the culture is completely erased, and it being evolved and developed into a new way. So I was just saying that to say, like, what do we think about it being able to develop with like, new innovations in it becoming like a fusion of a new culture demographic and a new way to to experience a culture than in the past?

Jeanine Ikekhua 56:44
You know, oh, go x x. No, you go.

Alexis Grant 56:49
Okay, my answer short, I'm gonna be fine. That's something I don't have an answer for. And it's something I've thought about before. But I don't have the answer, partially because I won't let myself think about it. Because I know, realistically, I'll die before it gets to the point where I see it to the extent that I'm fearful of. But valid, right, it gets to like things are gonna evolve. And I understand not every tradition can be held, because, first of all, not every tradition is necessarily good for the community. Not every tradition is good, be good for the time period. Not every tradition is good, be the most productive thing to do to keep everybody alive or blase blase. But it's like, I know that that's a line that I don't think I'll ever be able to distinguish. And because of that, I'm afraid to approach the topic in my mind as a whole,

Jeanine Ikekhua 57:33
very valid, I was gonna say, um, evolution is good. I definitely think evolution is good, but certain things should not evolve. Like, for example, when I think of I think of my, I'm speaking from my culture, when I think of my culture, when I think of language, certain words can be added, like, for example, we don't have certain words for certain things. And like that they have an English, like, I'm pretty sure period in the way that it's used. There is no word for that direct translation with like, the take into consideration like the hand moves and gestures like that. But the actual language should not evolve, it should not mix with another language to become something a bit more, I guess, easier for people to understand are easier to spread, things like that should not change language for me, in my opinion. You can add new words, you can cheat, you can do things like that, but changing the foundation of it, that should never happen. But then it's like, when I think of Niger, I think of like, it's usually more of like a patriarchal society, like things like that. Okay, that should change because why are we trying to control women, but certain things should not change? There's just no need. I know the whole work. We're all about evolving and globalizing, but certain things in our culture do not need to change. And that's just the truth.

Alexis Grant 58:50
I would love for us to revisit that conversation and have on a linguistics major with this or someone in linguistics. Having said um,

Hamsata Mazou 59:01
we're different. We just hit the hour mark kind of is, what am I gonna say? I love our past two

Alexis Grant 59:07
conversations. I think they've been very insightful. Yeah.

Hamsata Mazou 59:13
Yeah, we got we got good stuff flowing in these conversations. What I was like, I was asking questions. I don't know what questions you have for this episode. Okay, but they were genuine questions

Jeanine Ikekhua 59:26
that I needed to get. Oh, I'm doing that's funny. You take it away. You

Hamsata Mazou 59:30
take it away. Oh, did you think you Yeah, I just had genuine questions. I was like, curious. I like these back to little questions assigned to me. I was like, I need to know your perspectives on these. Now, to the linguist this thing that you were saying earlier, do you mean, what was my thought about it? I was like, Yeah, you bring up a good point about like, language should be preserved. But I feel like right now at least I'm not saying it's good or bad. Just an observation. I feel like languages are already starting to become like the Americanized version of like said cultures language. And I don't think it was for the sense of it being like, easy or anything, and I know you weren't trying to correlate it to that, but I was just saying like, sometimes, then we just evolve in the sense of like, the environment you're in and the cultures that you're fusing together. Like for us, like, my language would be like, Zetta my English, like, I'll literally speak my language, but like English in between that type of thing. Like, you know, people are like Spanglish.

Jeanine Ikekhua 1:00:22
Yeah. But like, that's fine. Oh, okay. And then that's not what I mean. I literally know which I foundational way sorry, I'm sorry, I can't hear you wish him

Hamsata Mazou 1:00:33
Oh, I was I said, I didn't really know what you meant by it. I was giving like those those examples. Gonna also say like, some people like have like, not the most sharpest like accents or whatever, because they have like an American accent. So you know, when accents fused? Like you can't always say words to the proper diction as you would if you were like born and raised within the country that the language originated from. Sounds like those type of cultural, like, you know, diversions and evolutions are going to occur, but that I just didn't know if those were things that you were like, opposing of or like, I know what direction so I just want to bring those up as like,

Jeanine Ikekhua 1:01:06
No, that was not what I meant. Like when I say like, evolution of language. First, I feel like you are speaking English in between speaking your actual like, whatever your your your language is, like, that's our evolution of the land. Because at the end the day like you're using English, because you don't know those words. And eventually, whatever, learning master Sorry, I have no idea what

Hamsata Mazou 1:01:30
you just said. Sometimes it's just whatever work comes to me fastest. Like, it's like, I'm thinking of a word, whichever language should come up faster, and I'm gonna say it,

Jeanine Ikekhua 1:01:37
but then they're like, you're not changing the actual language. You're not changing the word itself. You're not changing the foundational course of that language. Does that make sense? Yay, yeah. Okay, because that's like another day. Yeah. Like, there's like, everybody still knows that, like, well, at least the people that know your language still in there. Like, there's still a word for that. Or like, she's not like you're not replacing the word itself, or like trying to change the foundation and structures of the language. When I mean, foundational structures, I literally mean, like, rewriting or trying to change things to the alphabet. And I bring this up, because I've watched you two videos about people actually trying to do that. And I just think it's so weird, because I'm like, why are you trying to make up your own word using whatever you heard? Like, just stick to stick to the foundation? Of course, you can't change the language and then just try to make it like it just it doesn't work. Some indigenous cultures and their language does not work the way it works with English. Like English at this point. Isn't everybody thing like you can make up your own word in English? You can't really do that with certain indigenous cultures and indigenous languages.

Hamsata Mazou 1:02:45
Good point. Good point. Thank you for the clarification.

Jeanine Ikekhua 1:02:48
Okay, here we go.

Hamsata Mazou 1:02:50
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Jeanine Ikekhua 1:03:21
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Hamsata Mazou 1:03:22
Yeah, and we have Instagram as well you too. We have on streets coming out I feel like at this point when this comes out it should be like the end of it but yeah, smooth right do that's it all right a much bigger

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Jeanine Ikekhua 1:03:59
Y'all as long as you don't

Alexis Grant 1:04:00
sound like far away far away.

Hamsata Mazou 1:04:03
No, it was just far but like it wasn't I shouldn't sound too far.

Jeanine Ikekhua 1:04:08
Y'all what she is because she now look is she she's so focused on her makeup looking perfect. She don't see this as what is on my face at this point.

Alexis Grant 1:04:20
Like for those listening engineers that are actually doing their makeup on zoom right now.

Hamsata Mazou 1:04:25
Oh, wow, we're telling them these things.

Jeanine Ikekhua 1:04:27
Why are you just gonna expose them? No Meza take the screenshot put it on the blog, Instagram. With the mark on my face. Let's be Sofer. Okay, let's go

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